Posts by Holey_Cheeses*King_of

Of the two congos of which I was ever a member, there were only ever three types of jws, and I believe this to be true of other congos from which I knew some of the members.

They were either fucked up, more fucked up, or well and truly fucked up.

Cheeses. Reliving the memories.

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Why is JW Net so hostile? Is it just me?

by Brother Mike in

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why can't i say something without someone immature trying to be a smart ass or trying to fight everything i say and use it against me?

comments welcome.

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Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

Hostile?

May the peace that comes from loving cheeses be with you my brother.

Cheeses - Never one to let hostilities get in the way of a good fight.

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Goodbye and Thank You Jw Net (Last Post)

by Brother Mike in

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i would like to thank everyone for the discussions that we've all had.

after all of them i have realized, all of you have made me realized that after all of the stuff i have been through, i just need a good friend.

and regardless of how hostile our discussion could get i have felt that you have all shared something with me that have helped me.

Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

Only skimmed over your topic and the comments but it is a similar situation like so many before you.

There are some posters here who have a shocking disposition towards your loving brothers, but I can only wish that you get all that you deserve coming to you. I'll leave you to determine whether there may be any sarcasm intended as you seem to be aware of what that entails.

Please remember me to the flock and pass on my love and let them know that I am thinking of them - though quite possibly not in a truly wholesome way.

There will be more like you come this way and hopefully they will be a bit brighter.

Cheeses - Amazed but not bewildered.

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Interview with an Apostate: Holey Cheeses

by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

"aaa rated" (antagonistic atheistic apostate).

tell us a little about yourself and your family.. wife and two children.. were you a born in or a convert?.

convert/recruit.. are your parents / family jws?.

Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

jwfacts - I can understand your question, which is easy to answer, but I am uncertain as to your comment.

I became mixed up with the cult around 1973, baptised 1974. Torn between youth and becoming an adult, I was searching for 'the meaning of life' and could see nothing beneficial with the 'regular' churches and beliefs. Weed, LSD, and mushrooms also did not present any 'answers'. At the time I was researching Zen Buddhism and living a free lifestyle, living in the country and surfing my life away. Looking back now I can see how the recruiting and indoctrination slowly took place. Magazines, left at the door. Plenty of time on my hands so started reading them, and the dangling carrot of everlasting life on a paradise earth seemed very tempting. With my lifestyle, that was certainly a sobering prospect. And on it went from there, to the point where I ended up giving the wts possibly some of the best fifteen or more years of my life.

There has always been a rebelious non-conformist aspect to my life and I think that it why I did not stay a jw. As my wife's father has stated, I always had a bad attitude towards the brothers. And the passing of time hasn't made it any better.

Cheeses - not always the perfect fit.

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Interview with an Apostate: Holey Cheeses

by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

"aaa rated" (antagonistic atheistic apostate).

tell us a little about yourself and your family.. wife and two children.. were you a born in or a convert?.

convert/recruit.. are your parents / family jws?.

Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

"AAA rated" (Antagonistic Atheistic Apostate)

Tell us a little about yourself and your family.

Wife and two children.

Were you a born in or a convert?

Convert/recruit.

Are your parents / family JWs?

My wife's parents are her only family in the cult.

How many generations have been JWs?

Three on her side.

Did you hold any position in the WTS? (MS, Elder etc...)

MS

Did you *really* believe in the bible, in spirits (angels, demons)?

Non-religious childhood. Semi-religious young adulthood in the cult. Now completely irreligious and anti-religion.

Did you get baptised? When and why?

Yes. It was part of the ceremony/charade.

What was the initial trigger that made you start questioning things?

Didn't really start questioning matters, just had enough, grew tired of all the nonsense and decided to leave the shit behind.

Where did you find information? Internet sites? Books?

No information. It wasn't so much a doctrinal issue - I was due for a change and wanted out.

How difficult or painful was the process of leaving?

Not difficult. I just stopped participating.

Was it a big dramatic exit or a careful quiet fade?

An unintentional fade of inactivity until the elders wanted to call a show.

Did you convince anyone else to leave with you?

My wife came along, not that she needed the slightest convincing.

How were your family relations affected by your decision?

On my side, my decision to join had some affect, but my decision to leave was met with relief. On my wife's side, as she has said, she never really had a father and mother, so her continuing inactivity has had no effects thus far. And my relationship with her parents has always been one of mutual contempt.

Were you or are you still being shunned by those who didn't leave?

So long ago I hardly remember any of them in my local congo (still living in the same area where I apostacised).

How long have you now been out?

25 years since I last went in FS. 20 years since I DA.

Was there anything you looked forward to doing when you left?

No, because by the time I 'left' I was already doing what I wanted to do.

What are you most proud of achieving since you left?

Developing some techniques aimed at really pissing off jws (that's just on the jw side of things, much more in real life)

Is there anything you miss about life in the congregation?

Not a single thing.

Red pill or blue pill? Do you regret waking up to reality at all?

No, it's just a shame I left reality behind to become a jw.

Did you become an atheist or transfer your faith elsewhere?

I put my faith in humanity and the unrelenting indifference of the universe.

How do you now feel about religion in general?

The most destructive and divisive concept ever devised by mankind.

Do you feel any guilt celebrating xmas or birthdays or doing any other JW "no-no"s?

Why would there be a need to feel guilty about celebrating a birthday of someone you love? Have never been a xmas person and do not burden myself with that activity.

Have you attended any face-to-face meetups of ex-JWs?

No

Describe your circle of friends - mostly other ex-JWs or regular people?

Regular people. Only know a couple of ex-jws but they were never my 'type' of people in anycase.

Do you tell people about your JW past?

Only if they ask. I don't feel stupidity even if in the past, is anything to be too pleased about.

Do you feel animosity or pity toward current JWs?

I have no sympathy for anybody who remains a jw in this day and age.

How do you respond to witnesses when they call at your door?

If they ever happen to make the sad mistake of calling on me, then I am in their face and I know they will not make that error again and possibly even tell their friends.

Storm the barricades or tend to the wounded? (do you favor activism or support)

Militant apostacy.

What do you think is the most effective approach to reaching people still in?

Stir the shit out them and make their life misery.

Do you think the WTS can or should be destroyed, will continue on as-is or grow / change?

As long as there are gullible people there will be others to take advantage of them. I think the wts will lose influence, and really I would like to see it's downfall, but realistically, I can't see that happening in my lifetime.

How has your life been impacted by your JW past?

Yes, it has allowed me to develop a hatred for an orgainisation and people I would have been better off never having known about (wife excepted).

Are there things in your life you blame the WTS for?

As above.

JW upbringing - a protection or a curse?

An absolute scrouge for children who are deprived of a proper childhood.

How do you fill your time now it's not filled with meetings and field service?

Thinking about how I ever found the time to engage in such a worthless and time wasting activity.

Do you still have an interest in JW beliefs and doctrines?

Only so much as to how much grief it causes jws still trapped in the cult.

How much of your time is still spent on JW related matters?

Not a great amount. Cruising this forum and the occasional confrontation with jws when they have the misfortune of me encountering them in their 'work'.

What do you think of the ex-JW community?

Entertaining and rational in most cases.

Do you see yourself still being associated with the ex-JW community in 5 or 10 years time?

Hope so.

Do you fear the future?

No

What advice would you give to anyone starting the journey of leaving the WTS?

Don't linger. Get out as quick as you can. You may fear you are losing family, but in reality you are gaining life. Then worry about your family.

What would you change in your life if you could go back and talk to yourself?

Don't investigate religion - keep well away.

Do you have any regrets about life since you left?

None whatsoever.

Can we read your life-story anywhere? (links to online or books

No

Want to share your own story? Please use the Interview with an Apostate: Template and post it in the Personal Experiences & Reunions section with the title "Interview with an Apostate: [your name or alias]"

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To DA myself or to go to JC meeting, that is the question

by Crazyguy in

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i just got done with another visit at my home with two elders and even though i tried to say very little they took anything they could as a disagreement with them as enough to say they may call a jc meeting after they talk to the rest of the elder body.

so since they are planning on dfing me any way, i'm wondering if i should just write a letter or go through with their meeting?.

Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

By the time the elders decided to call me for a meeting over my being seen buying lottery tickets I was so far removed from any jw mindest that it just didn't matter what they thought or did in relation to how I now lived my life.

I had no problems meeting with them but I was going out on my terms. I don't think it was a jc meeting as there were only two elders attending. But from the start I let them know where I stood, and informed them that they would not be disfellowshipping me as I was disassociating. They did not ask for any letter, nor was one provided.

They may have felt they had a victory, but in my mind I was content that the victory was mine. I was out - formally.

cheeses. out and free for longer than I was in.

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I'm Returing To Become A Jehovah's Witness Again

by Space Madness in

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a little background, i faded in 2007 and have been out ever since.

i started studying at 18 and have no jw realitives.

i'm returing because my life is heading in the wrong direction.

Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

A couple of thoughts come to mind -either you have a very warped sense of humour, or you are a glutton for punishment, or perhaps your masochistic tendencies have overtaken any rational thought processes you may have once possessed.

Whatever the case, I'm glad it's you and not me. But, then again, it wouldn't be a choice between you or me, as there is no known force in the universe that would have me embracing any religious shit, moreso if it was jw related.

I would like to wish you luck, but I won't. Enjoy all that is coming to you.

cheeses. Unrelenting.

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C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

by karter in

wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

Third time proves it, as the saying goes.

I think you will find the Bob Hawke lookalike was Bill Hoskings/Hoskins.

Don't be fooled by appearances as some have suggested that these manipulators were 'good people'. They were only good as far as they could get you to do servitude to the wts.

Evil, conniving, deceitful would be a more appropriate description of their characteristics.

Cheeses - ever the helpful one.

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C,O's,D,O's from down under...who remembers??

by karter in

wolford and betty john,nice loveing couple,always loved children.. arther and tinnie roderson, nice couple he passed away some years ago too young from cancer.. wiakato and hine gray couldn't ask for better people.. jack teesie ..single guy would never go to a single sisters place for dinner even if she had children apperantly a bad look.. joe sleighman and wife nice couple were d.o's leaft and joined our side.. sandy pannell and wife...he reminded me of bill clinton always love to look down from the stage and wave his left finger at the congro....never liked him.. han's hubler,nuff said has been a few threads started about him.. there is many more.. karter..

Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice.

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